Apple Vision Pro - Is this the future Apple En-Visions? Ep. 18

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Welcome to Exploring the Metaverse, where we explore the depths of virtual and augmented reality and the technology that supports it, and how all of this applies to you and me and all the regular, beautiful people, and it's absolutely my pleasure to be here today with our special friend, our co-host, Mr. Tia. Welcome, bro. Thank you for being here once again. How are you doing? Thank you, Matt. I'm doing fine, thank you. Everything's good here. I'm happy we can get some content here out. Well, hey, you know, this is the thing. When there's exciting things in the world, it just kind of motivates us to want to talk about them, right, and try to learn about them and teach each other about it and bring that information to anyone else who might be interested. You had a really good idea for today's show, I have to say, and I appreciate how you have been looking up interesting things and finding information and bringing to light, you know, all sorts of new things day by day, and how could we ignore, you know, the gigantic behemoth in the room, this Apple Vision Pro? This is a big deal, isn't it? I think this is a big deal. This is absolutely massive, and I'm excited. Like, just one off, like, up front, I've thought about this kind of thing for a long time, and I feel like they're really putting themselves out there in a way that Apple never does. I mean, it's interesting. It's exciting. What do you think? How does it make you feel? Well, isn't it the topic that basically rebooted your interest in this podcast? We were talking about it. We were discussing about it, and since Apple has entered the room, now this gains interest. Gains everybody's interest. Exactly. Like him or hate him. And you know that I'm more of a, not a hater, but I'm a critique. I'm a critique of Apple. But hey, they are positioned in the market where if they do something... They get relevance. They get attention. That relevance is, I think, really what is pushing this conversation and this technology forward, because there's a lot of, you know, headsets. There's a lot of little computer things you can put on your face. You know, like, not everyone is on board with this idea. Not everyone even really knows what it is or what it can do or how it can, you know, change the way that we interact with technology in the world around us. So... So, speaking of what it is, let's give our listeners just a quick rundown of what is actually this Vision Pro. What does it do? Why is it a big deal? Basically, it's the way Apple has structured this product and has built this product, it's basically a computer strapped on your eyes. That's what it is. Yeah. It has two HD screens on it. It has... It has speakers on the side. It has... It's adapted in order for you to get this product. Apple has to send you a kit. You have to measure your eyes, your interpupillary distance. It's so personal. All this... Exactly. All this kind of stuff. But basically, it's a computer. It's a computer PC, a portable PC strapped on to your eyes with a pretty substantial chip in it. And it has the M2. And it has also a brand new R1 chip, which is the brand new augmented reality or AR or VR chip that Apple has come up for this product. But basically, it resembles any other kind of VR set as far as it goes. But I feel like it's... I mean, in the footage that I've seen, I feel like it's different in the way... In the way that it incorporates the real world at the same time as the computer experience in that you can wear it while you're out in public, walking around and interacting within the device, but also interacting outside of the device with the people around you and items and things in your space. I did watch some comical videos about people trying to drink water and trying to get the bottle to their mouth. It didn't seem to be working very well. Well, you know, there's always... There's always going to be kinks and use cases and little scenarios that are going to come to light. But I think the thing that's so different to me between this device and the existing ones on the market is how it allows you to... I have a hard time even articulating it to bring it into the real everyday use case wherein that it's similar to a phone that you're utilizing your messages, your... Your, you know, any kind of videos or, you know, email, any kind of productive tasks like that, but also allowing you to interact in real time around you. There's a guy that's already worn one to his wedding. He wore a headset while he was saying his vows and looking into the eyes of his wife. I mean, I feel like this is such a... I don't know. You know, I read that today. I don't know, my friend. I read that this morning and, you know, this is why it just piques my interest because there's so many aspects to it that are moving the entire technological space forward. And I just feel like the people around me, and I don't mean this in any disrespectful way, but it's just a subject that interests me and you. And I find that it's... I just want to shout it from the rooftops. I want to show people the potential. And while the current$3,500 US only, US dollars...$3,500 US dollar device is, you know, not quite within the reach of the average consumer, I feel like it's a window into the future, a potential future, and something that, you know, it's really going to change the way that people interact and use technology. Well, it's Apple doing Apple things, basically. They grabbed the VR set and they... What they did is they created this new term of space. Space. Spatial computing. So basically, it's basically creating an environment where you can have your computing going on and you can put these windows and you can have so many windows that you can just interact with your eyes and you can leave them there and leave them in that room and go away, walk away with your headset, then you go back to this room and these windows that you created for your workspace or your work environment or whatever. So the virtual world that you were working on will stay there, stay in that room, the computer will remember and whatever. It integrates with your MacBook... But if you leave... It goes away and you have to reset them if you leave your house and go to another location. Well, yeah. But the concept is there. It's a first-generation product, my friend. Well, even, I don't know if it's even a first-generation product. It might be a prototype, a Generation Zero product at this point. Even though it's been put in the shown environment... And it's in the picture... This is really useful. Ah, ah, ah. It's in the picture. Ah, ah. I thought, uh, ah... I thought, ahh... I thought, ahh, ahh... Ah, ah, ah. Ah, uh. put in the market because apple wanted to create the interest in in this kind of product and maybe in 18 24 months they'll come up with yeah it doesn't have a deal a real like killer app a killer use case i mean it seems to be really good at like watching videos like the the examples that i've seen of people on youtube and a couple of facebook videos mainly on youtube is allowing you to watch a video but still have like your hands free and things it can come with you wherever you're going so that you can continue to be sort of like productive while also engrossed in content i mean is that really a good thing you know is do do we need more of that like we'll get we'll get there we'll get there later about what how this can change but so then like what else do we use think about this oh it's amazing you you are going to the movies and instead of watching a screen you have this strapped to your head with 3d right in your face and i think it's hard yeah the 3d impact of it is actually in seems to be quite insane so think of how that will change how somebody experiences a movie i feel like this will be the movie theater killer like they're already maybe doing i don't know i can't back that up i haven't looked into that but i feel like they might not be as popular as they used to be at least in some areas similar to how you know amazon has impacted physical stores i look at a movie theater and i look at being able to strap a whatever 100 inch or whatever 3d you know movie screen to my face and like you know not have to leave the comfort of my own home sure the experience is different but people are so conditioned already to consuming you know solo media you know i have so many good memories from movies as a kid growing up and you know you're going out with your friends and family and now we're looking at uh you know just getting the movie here in your high-tech theater in the middle of your home i mean uh we already have it to some degree but when it's so good it gives you less motivation to go to the theater where it's even better and yes the theater i still i still think would have the the edge the advantage in the overall experience i mean they've been iterating on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on it and making it better will it though will it though with special audio with special audio and 3d video strapped to your eyes will the theater still have that advantage it depends how many kids are screaming you know did somebody spill their popcorn on you is is there a big huge tall guy sitting in front of you no offense tall friend uh you know like you know i it depends in some cases i think it'll be fabulous uh but man for a lot of people if this is you know it's an industry shifting device that could really change where those dollars those you know folks that are willing to pay for for new blockbuster type content it's uh it's it's interesting anyway and i find it very very exciting and the capabilities of the device itself going between ar and vr shifting so seamlessly between the two which are completely different they're very different and that's hard to describe that in an audio sense to somebody who's never experienced it but it's like imagine looking at a computer screen but everything around you everything that you can see is a computer screen and it might be in a three-dimensional state or it might be in a two-dimensional state but that is a virtual reality because there's no actual reality that you can even see you're well in the computer generated environment but an augmented or this spatial computing that we're speaking of is a virtual reality and it's a virtual reality of that apple's generated is like having the ability to still see the real world except it's generated through cameras that are looking at the world and then replaying it back to you in a live video and then transposing video and other aspects on top of the real world around you so that if you're walking down the street you could have your contact list hovering in the sky just above you if you wanted to tap a name and make a call on the another area of your peripheral vision you could have a youtube video playing you could have a document on another window all these things can be floating in the air and space around you while still being able to see the person sitting across from you and they not being able to see what it is that you're experiencing exactly because they see those two dead eyes that the camera will get better it will get better but for now it feels like somebody's like meanwhile your eyes are going everywhere and it's looking everywhere at the and you're dead straight dead vision eyes looking at the world outside of oh man just before we went live i was saying how i think it would be so cool if you could rent these kind of devices or experience them in a in a short-term case like how you could go to the the phone store excuse me you could pick up your you know new favorite head uh handset get your new phone and you can play with it you can hold it you can check it out and you can play with it and you can play with it and you can play with it and you can use it now i know you can probably have some kind of experience at the at the apple store um i don't know that's a good interesting question to me to see how they're um advertising and marketing it in store in person when it has a very robust you know fitting process i i would imagine they're not having people use it but what do you think is that so i don't think that i have not been to an apple store in a long time so i don't know i don't think that i don't think that they will have it available to try it's not the apple way well it is i mean look at their store they have a huge store with all the products and you're allowed to go in there and use anything and everything and their little special friend helper staff people will you know help walk you through things and they really do give you a hands-on demo as far as a sales process uh but this to me is the kind of thing that needs to be experienced and i haven't experienced it yet but i think it's a good thing to do and i think it's a good thing to do and i have watched so many videos about it i feel like i have been there and i uh and having uh owning a meta quest there is a bit of a pass-through you know ar type aspect to that headset but looking at the visual fidelity of this vision pro uh it's like it's like comparing your your 2002 flip throne camera to your current gen flagship model i mean it's not quite that bad but it's like two different universes oh absolutely it's uh well it's black book struck to your eyes so i don't think that uh cost wise obviously like it's there's no there's no comparison so what happens when that cost comes down when we can take a zero off the end and you can get a device with almost the same capabilities for 350 dollars and i look at the idea of outfitting a full classroom of children or a full boardroom of executives or a surgical suite of surgeons and nurses with this kind of high level of technology and i think it's a good thing to do and i think it's a good thing to do technology aiding and assisting in the tasks that they're engaged in what kind of an advantage is that going to give an organization or a group of people that can use this kind of technology to their advantage um i i look that i look at that right now is you know me knowing how to use chat gpt to my advantage and other people not even knowing what it is it feels unfair it feels like i'm doing something that how could this not yeah how could this not be there for everyone and it is but i think many people don't know what it is and i think it's a good thing to do and i think it's a good thing to do and i think people don't get how much this could bolster the productivity of you know even like the surgeon for example you know they've got the they've got the you know the the procedure underway and not to be too graphic coming from the medical field uh and you know being able to to scan the patient with the sensors on the headset uh just where you're visually looking to see the see the relevant information and maybe to identify structures yeah your structure so you can see exactly how things are finding abnormalities and looking at vessel structures and there's so much that and and having high level ai built into this kind of product to be able to help us interpret the world around us to to to identify threats to identify leaks or weak spots in an industrial mechanical setting or to look at the tomatoes on the table to decide which one is the ripest that should be used first i mean yes human sensation and human ability and knowledge is is always important but i feel like this is the kind of thing that's pushing us towards a new age of a definition of what actually encompasses human experience and human interaction with the world around us and you know we talk about it being a computer strapped to your face but i think that's like that's like a very rudimentary explanation oh yeah it is but you see now now my critique and my my different point of view is that i think it's a very rudimentary explanation for many people and in this particular um video the review comes out right here like i would love for a world where this technology is being used in this way but you envision the world as this is like i wear my eyeglasses every day i put it on my my side table and pick up my glasses put them on into the wear them all day take them off i got my phone i got my airpods like i'm ready i want to know if this kind of device is useful and if that device has got more than a surround sound and what kind of a use for the volume that is being produced that guess they just say let's attach that on a fictional facility or i'm not sure obviously this model isn't right this is a could have aалисьian that Napoleon would have to talk about it in his or herจะ good enough for the society because augmented reality ar spatial computing whatever we want to call it um you're still filtering the world through that device when you're experiencing the external world no doubt there's no debate i mean so how does that change how we approach the world how we approach human interaction how we will approach our work how we all well maybe work maybe in a work environment it will be something that in the future it will be used uh on a daily basis as we use our computers every day when we go to our work right there was a time that a calculator was a threat to a mathematician absolutely but this is a little bit different it's pushing it isn't it it's because it's not something that it's not a tool to get the job done well it is it's a tool that's putting us between the job and it's filtering that job through that tool and the way we experience our task is filtered through that tool what if it's safety glass on the front well it's not the same thing man no i hear what you're saying i just i think it's interesting and we don't know and that to me is the fascinating thing that we get the privilege and the fortune of being here now together uh at the forefront of this this potential revolution of of human activity do you don't think uh that's i guess it just depends on what direction and at what level people are engaged in it right well you see i understand that this was the same argument that was coming out in 2010 when these things came out yes right it's the same argument we got one people are not paying attention how will it change the human interaction people are only using their phones they're not they're not interacting with people or whatever and maybe for a period of time as usual it might have been that way like people were more fixated on what this was showing them now it's just a tool maybe it will be the same thing for that but still it's a tool to get the job done well it's a tool to get the job done well it's a tool to get the job done well it's a tool to get the job done well it's a tool to get the job done well still if it's something that we're wearing with the constant of everybody putting their eyeglasses on every day it's different i leave my phone yeah i grab my phone every time but i leave it laying around in my house it's not that i have it constantly in my hand i do i do the same thing um i do the same thing but what if the kind of technology that's built into this device fits inside of your eyeglasses exactly as you wear them having no noticeable impact on weight or comfort or style and offering you a high degree of of you know of extra information and entertainment and value and i don't think that's the same as the full headset but i feel like the concept is similar in that as they iterate this product further and further forward and making the you know the battery the tethered battery pack because we both know that that's just not that's a no-go for the average joe i mean you know i don't think that's the same as the full headset but i feel like the yeah you know i used to have my backpack on three or four back i had a discman that i put in a in a basket of my bike on a pillow just so that i could ride down the neighborhood street and not have my little discman skipping the music you know um it's it's uh i find it so exciting and i think that there's going to be you know a learning curve and there's going to be always those outliers who take it too far you know who turn it into a bad thing you know and i think that there's going to be a lot of people who are going to take it too far and i think that there's going to be a lot of people who are going to take it too far and i think that there's going to be a lot of people um but just like many other people driving with this headset right like if you're in a tesla that's already driving for you why can't i wear my headset while i'm driving do you trust the tesla driving for you my friend absolutely i wouldn't i trust a computer's judgment over people's all the time when it comes to objective scenarios that are clearly defined in an algorithmic state and the ability for it to act quicker than i can act and for it to act and to have the ability to act quicker than i can act and for it to act quicker than i can act here's the thing i think about self-driving vehicles it's not just having the vehicle by itself but having all the vehicles on the road all interlinked and communicating with each other so that we are like in a safety net of transportation absolutely the point is do you trust now a tesla to drive for you no not today no well who is wearing a headset a vision pro with a tesla now is not very smart no well i mean maybe in a controlled safe setting but i wouldn't recommend that uh at this point not in 10 years from now absolutely in 10 years from now absolutely because as you said that's i think that's the goal because if you have all the vehicles communicating and you have and you take away the variable of speed because that's one of the biggest variables if all the vehicles go at 60 kilometers per hour or 36 miles per hour you have no variable of speed but my personal freedom i want to push the accelerator i have the right to utilize this machine oh boy it's just such a crazy future and i think that's what makes it so fun to be able to sit down with you and talk about it and you know to try to to push the envelope of understanding and sort of to see where it goes and to follow uh the industry and the different trends that are happening and i know that there's going to be many breakthroughs on this and so many other subjects that i hope we can talk about yeah it's it's it's fascinating i i as as i told you like i i was not excited because apple is making the breakthrough but i'm excited on the other hand i'm excited that apple made the breakthrough because now this really is pushing it forward they are setting a bar they are exactly raising the bar and they're extrapolating that word metaverse from zuckenberg's hands and putting it back into the wild for yeah into the wild let its definition be free let it be yet completely defined and the concept of the combination of technology and humanity in a multitude of ways to find a sort of symbiotic relationship where we can benefit we can prosper but not be slaves to the machine um i i am a proponent of tech but i don't want it to be the master you know i i i still hope you don't want to sign it no i no i don't i hope that we can always maintain that that safe distance that uh that sort of comfortable boundary where it is our tool it is uh an augment to reality but not a substitute for it yeah we don't uh there's a lot of uh beer into that and as somebody that lives through all the technological evolutions you see how the vision of some people actually came to reality and you say well ready player one is it actually going to be like that uh black mirror is it actually going to be like that are we gonna is it going to be the matrix professional state to be the matrix be amplified by you know helpful tools that can make our experiences better um but it's a it's a fine balance and i think that's why we're here to try to add a spotlight another voice uh an opinion and to try to help keep it uh keep it moving forward i'd like to say a little thank you to those people who have reached out recently with interest to to join us here on this podcast and to speak with us about it from the industry perspective uh if you're still listening to i want you to know that we really are are excited to talk especially about the the virtual augmented reality uh but of course other technological states that surround that always trying to stay away from anything that could be you know spammy or scammy or or untoward for any of our our audience we're not here to uh you know to shill for anyone's uh short pump and dump schemes uh or any other type situations are we to no we are here to share our opinion share our love for certain subjects and have a good chat and maybe help people um understand the technology a little bit easier we're not here to uh we're not here to scam people i have nothing to sell no products you're not my customer thank you brother i hate to cut you off but i think it's uh it's time to hit back the books and uh i can't wait for us to get back together for the next time and uh you know pray keep uh keep moving forward thank you very much appreciate you man well thank you as usual it's always a pleasure to have a chat with you about interesting and fun and uh cool things to talk about with a friend can i borrow 3500 not now oh us only thanks bro i know right have a great rest thank you thank you have a good evening and take care thanks everyone for listening thanks for watching and we'll hope to catch you next time